To be honest it’s a story we were planning on ignoring, but at the end of the day it’s going to be easier to simply post rather than respond to everyone who sent us a link: Chris Daly has in fact purchased a home in Fairfield two doors down from his in-laws (and the home in which his wife grew up).
Daly intends to continue his residence on Stevenson Street until his Supervisor term is up.
∙ Supervisor Chris Daly Issues Statement [fogcityjournal.com]
Chris and Ed – I am not sure what the difference is except Chris moved AFTER he was voted to the BOS and not BEFORE.
Of course that could be an important difference in some people’s opinion.
I did love the fact that he did it for the sake of his kids. Yeah Chris, that’s what all former SF DINKs say when they realize SF is a terrible city to try and raise a family in, thanks to anti-business, anti-development policy enforced by people like you.
Wow, I never in my life thought that I would ever sound THAT Republican … SF is truly a crazy town.
Surprised Daly’s last words weren’t “mission accomplished.”
The interesting part of this story – its directly about san francisco land use debates – which mr daly has been in the center of — is how difficult it is for families to stay in san francisco — in large part because of the high cost of san francisco housing, that caused in large part by the legacy of opposional land use politics, which created permanent barriers to supply and scarcity pricing.
So does this mean the mofo can’t run for mayor in SF w/o residing here?
If he wasn’t a free loading “public servant”, who puts his last 18 months of city salary ahead of his family, then why doesn’t he just move now and quit his position on the SOB?
The law should be changed so that if your family lives somewhere else, then by definition, that’s where you live. His house in SF is no different that if he stayed in a hotel. You can’t have two primaary residences at a time.
hey chris: dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
good riddance to one of our worst ever supes.
“You won’t have Chris Daly to kick around anymore.”
It’s only 8 years too late. San Francisco’s gain is Fairfield’s loss.
I bet private school for the kids is going to be cheaper in Fairfield than in SF.
Can’t really blame Daly, I guess. It would have been tough for his street cred to put the kids in private school in SF.
LOL, I thought his wife was Cuban (I had read on SS that he met his wife at a “youth festival” in Cuba). After seeing the linked article, I see that she grew up in the suburbs just like Chris did.
I think it’s funny how he mentions how he will continue “bicycling to work”, and that the new Fairfield nabe is “diverse” (whew!). I thought only SF could be diverse and stuff!
I *KNEW* urban fetishism was a crock 🙂
On the one hand, I am happy he’s leaving, but enraged by the hypocrisy this represents and the legacy he’s leaving.
Anyway, posted this story on my facebook profile and within five minutes comments like “turd” and “dirtbag” were posted about CD — all by successful, employed, tax-paying SF residents.
omg, whatever… at least you were planning on ignoring this non-story socketsite, I’ll give you credit for that, just don’t start reporting on mj’s wigs or obambies supposedly fraudulent birth certificate.
i don’t have any inside info but sounds like marital problems to me.
How can he afford not one but two homes in the Bay Area?!?
I wonder whether he indicated that the Fairfield house would be his primary residence in his mortgage application.
Aren’t non-primary homes subject to higher interest rates?
So, what is it that he’s hiding. He bought the home in April and we’re only now being told?
Not that I’m a C. Daly fan…but by the way some people are talking he’s moving to an exclusive suburb. In reality, Fairfield is very working-class, and is one of the foreclosure capitals of the Bay Area. I expect he got a fantastic deal. And yes, Solano County is very diverse…Vallejo most of all, but Fairfield as well.
Yes, my first read is that the move is hypocritical, and may conceal some marital issues. But, I’m willing to give the guy 18 months to semi-live in SF. He’s a lame duck and it looks like he won’t be bothering us anymore….
I had heard that the place he owns on Stevenson was a Below-Market-Unit that he bought pre his 130k days. Can anyone confirm or deny that?
Eskenazi has a hilarious description of Daly’s new home in his SFweekly column. It hardly sounds working-class, tho’ I could see how it would be in Daly’s political interest to describe it as such.
What a fraud. Steal from the rich and give to the poor and look like the big boy in town. Dirtbag scum of the earth. Hope he leaves California.
So much hatred for a guy who has helped families and low wage earners survive in the fetid Ponzi swamp which San Francisco has become, thanks to the crooked realtor/developer/banker pirate so well-represented in the comments above, and soon below. Gosh, he’s not perfect, so let’s scream and rant about what a commie he is. What’s next, tirades about Obama’s fake birth certificate?
I have been praying every day for years that this a$$hole moves out of San Francisco, moves out of CA – hell – move off the planet. This guy was the biggest idiot anyone has ever seen! Get out of dodge DICK!
I wish he would have moved w/ his family. I think SF could use some good political news for once.
CD owns his home here in SF, yes? I’m waiting with bated breath to see if he sells the home or RENTS IT OUT. Can you imagine?
Chris Daly may care for the people in the Mission, but he is mean and divisive and vulgar and is truly nasty to middle-class San Franciscans.
Remember the Family Days, in February, when all the museums are free for SF residents with a child (with id) ? This is the only way that MOST people in this city can easily take kids to our 15$-admission per person museums. Many of the families I have personally seen at these events are black or Asian or single moms with kids.
Chris Daly sneered at that- on the basis that it does nothing for renters.
He’s a nasty guy.
^ he owns a condo here…get ready for height of irony…if he rents it out it’s not subject to rent control (vomit. Here.)
What’s Fairfield?
Great… so once Daly’s done ruining San Francisco, he leaves so that he and his family does not have to suffer the consequences of the policies that he pushed while on the BoS. What a scummy move.
Clearly he doesn’t have a commitment to San Francisco. If he were committed to this city he would believe in it and support it.
As far as excuses about him needing to move to Fairfield because of the high cost of living in SF….. Whatever…. He can clearly afford two homes, one of which is in SF.
He doesn’t represent me, thankfully. But if he did, and given his lack of commitment to the city I would demand that he resign. His constituents would be better served by someone who is serious about supporting and developing San Francisco.
The place that he owns here is BMR and regulated by the MOH, so I assume that if were to want to rent it out the price would be determined for him by the MOH. Not sure how that works. If he wants to sell it, he’s capped on the amount that he can sell it for and the amount of equity that he can draw out of it.
Oh Happy Day!!!
Too bad WE now have to live with his idiotic policies while he lives in a mansion in the burbs!
Wow, some of you posters are retards and I’m no Daly fan. OK here are some facts from someone who works for the Mayor, and makes a hell of a lot more than Daly does:
– Fairfield is basically a semi-livable shithole (ok I’m being harsh but still) barely above Novato par, we could probably all buy a block or two let alone a house there
– Dalys unit in SF is indeed a BMR that he bought before his sub 100k salary (nowhere near 130k)
– As a result of the above, the resale price of the above could in fact be “market” (note that there are SEVERAL kinds of BMR units, some do not allow this) BUT he would have to share any proceeds with the Mayors Office of Housing (MOH) which uses the funds to develop additional affordable housing.
– For all practical purposes, he cannot rent the unit or if he does it is at such a steep discount that he would hardly become a real estate kingpin.
As someone said above, why is this even being reported? Don’t you guys know that Newsome thoroughly neutralized the prick a couple of years back with Aaron Peskins aid? Daly is basically a powerless angry child, and perhaps this is the reason he’s leaving, I honestly don’t know or care. Mirakarimi and the other “lefty” supes at this rate are faaar more powerful/relevant than Daly who has been largely reduced to going along with his lefty voting block. Morever, in the very near future when he leaves office, do not expect any change from that seat in terms of actual policy direction: it will almost certainly be filled by another person, a la Ross M., that’s at least as liberal as Daly is although perhaps a bit nicer, lol.
Oh, I forgot my main point which is: even Gavy knows that, b/c of District elections, it is HIGHLY unlikely that any of the lefty policies are going anywhere anytime soon. Daly’s district will elect another Daly, although hopefully a nicer one. What I think most of the (understandable) Daly haters miss, is that Daly, like ALL supes and Gavin himself, don’t really come up with 99% of these cock-a-mamee policies (or even the good ones for that matter) on their own: it’s the rabble-rouser community groups and policy wonks behind the scenes that produce the stinking crap as well as the golden eggs.
I’m really impressed by someone who uses “retard” in an argument. Not.
If you work for the Mayor you should spell his name correctly.
SF Weekly is reporting that he bought not one, but TWO homes in Fairfield. Good thing all the cash he saved while living in his below market condo was able to subsidize his purchase of 4000 square feet somewhere else. I bet he’ll collect unemployment as soon as his term is up too…..don’t let the door hit you on the way out….
Daly bashes SF yet again. I guess SF is not good enough for his family, but if he’s trying to find somewhere better to raise his kids, I hardly think Fairfield is on par. I’d rather raise my kids in SF over Fairfield any day. The whole being closer to the grandparents seems like such a crock to me.
Daly’s home in Fairfield is 1900 sq ft, according to the SF Weekly. He apparently bought two of them.
I wonder if he is going to rent out the other one. It would be pretty amusing to rib him about being a landlord.
Speaks well for Chris that he has exactly the kinds of enemies a tenants’ rights advocate ought to have.
Good riddance.
I’m puzzled by many of Chris Daly’s actions and disagree with him on several issues, but you can’t fault a guy who wants to take care of his babies. Right or wrong, he obviousely thinks this is the best thing for his family.
Like anywhere else, there are good and bad parts of Fairfield, and plenty of people prefer to live there over SF. It’s typical SF provincialism to look down on it.
If he really bought two houses in Fairfield, I’ve got to think it’s marital problems and he wants to be close to the kids, and the wife wants to be close to mom. It’s probably a nice area of Fairfield – the article notes that his wife grew up (25+ years ago) two doors down. If the SF suburbs are anything like the NYC suburbs, people simply fled the areas that got “bad” in the late 70s/early 80s, and mom would have been long gone by now if it wasn’t a nice part of the town….
I still think school choice has something to do with it, judging from the approximate age of the older kid in the picture. From the SF Weekly column that was linked in one of the comments:
“one’s family is not an abstract concept — and children are not experiments….”
I certainly would not want to “donate” my children for experimentation by the mad social scientists at the the SF public schools, and it’s going to be cheaper and easier for Daly to put them in private (or parochial) schools in Fairfield than it would have been in SF.
Renter here, like the majority of San Franciscans. Thank you Chris Daly for your service to the community. It’s encouraging to hear that his replacement will be of similar politics. What has to be my favorite Chris Daly moment was right after the election when his wife stole the microphone and started blasting the golden gate restaurant association with f-bombs.
Daly realizes SF is no longer a place for middle class white children
We feel ya Chris
Marital problems, or (hypocritical) school issues, or take his word at face value and they want that free babysitting, who cares? I know that someone is going over the mayor’s housing program bylaws with a microscope right now, regarding Daly’s Stevenson address. I certainly hope that they find something askew. Not only do I hate his divisive landlord hating politics, but I find this deeply offensive. Are you really allowed to buy another home and still keep a mayor’s housing property? That does not seem right. Not at all. He is gaming the system and he is an elected official.
another Renter here, Chris Daly is a douche.
Rent control does nothing for the average person. It only benefits those who have no desire to better themselves and want to live in a crappy place, and very likely get evicted under the Ellis act when the owner gets sick of being hostage to After a decade under rent control, no owner wants deal with that crap anymore when they can TIC the building, make way more money, and lose the hassle.
If there was a more permissive development regulation builders could actually make properties that would make money as rentals, and that could be affordable to middle class folks. Under the current system the only thing that’s worth their effort is luxury condos, thanks Chris!
I normally have a policy against helping people move, but I will make an exception here.
I’m avail. anytime to help pack his stuff, I’ll even pay for the U-Haul.
But I’m sure he’ll personally want to pack his copies of the communist manifesto and his letter of recommendation from lucifer.
I don’t care for Daly’s policies but I certainly love how much he seems to piss so many of you off so much. One tip of advice for the future, when trying to demonize someone, try not to appear to be a bigger douche then the person you are trying to demonize, you end up making that person seem sympathetic in comparison.
Rillion wrote:
> I don’t care for Daly’s policies but I certainly love how
> much he seems to piss so many of you off so much.
From the look of things he seems to have also pissed off his wife. Not many happy loving families live 50 miles apart. Most women get tired of the angry liberal activist act after a while. I can’t tell you how many sorority girls (from Atherton and Hillsborough) I knew that dated (and some even married) nut ball Che Guevara T-Shirt wearing activists in their 20’s only to dump them and marry a guy more like their Dad who is not angry (or liberal) and has a stable job (I wonder what Chris will be doing for an income in a couple years?)…
Rillion… I don’t think any person who pays taxes would sympathize with Daly, but can I pour you another glass of vinegar and water, or are you full?
As far as demonizing Daly, he does it to himself. We are just reveleing in what we knew all along, but just couldn’t convince the people in the old age homes south of market on government assistance and the junkies in the loin not to vote for him.
Daly is pretty much the same as every other middle class white person who moves here and works out their politics
When JR gets a little older and its time to go to school the shit gets real
I don’t blame him, I will be decamping for the suburds too as this place is a shithole for kids (and it pains me to say it)
He shares these values. We havew created city’s unsuitable for children
Daly reminds me of Hallinan, who cleared out of town leaving behind the mess he created as District Attorney. Like two peas in a pod…
The disgusting, irrational, mouth-foaming anger directed at Daly in this thread seems like it was written by the rabid, methamphetamine-fueled teabaggers screaming about Obama’s birth certificate on Free Republic.
Seems like Daly has threatened some very nasty people just a little too much. Democracy is a frightening thing to the pirate class.
People, please wipe the spittle from your monitor, or at least cover your mouths while you type.
two beers
Every native I know feels this way and we are all old school Democrats.
Listen to what we are saying
SF is actually a terrific city for kids. But it does take quite a high income to really make that so — private schools, museum memberships, arts classes. It’s somewhat like New York in that respect (recognizing that SF pales in comparison to NY in many respects).
Biggest problem is that the supes and school board ruined the public schools (exception is Lowell), and that is a deep hole to dig out of. The middle and upper-middle class have fled the public schools and they do not want to sacrifice their kids by enrolling them in the presently horrific schools for the noble concept of making them better again in the future — this apparently includes Daly, unless there is some broader marital issue here. So those who can afford it send their kids to private schools and those who can’t flee to the ‘burbs. And we’re left with an upper class and a lower class, with few in the middle.
Honestly a guy like Daly decamping for the suburds doesn’t surprise me in the least
What bothers me is the fact that he clearly games the system with his BMR condo. A person in “affordable” housing buys two houses in the suburds?
All these gay men living in dirt cheap rent controlled apartments and own homes in Tahoe and or the Russian River?
And they won’t let middle class people with familes who aspire to homeownership convert TICs to condos easily? Or go to our neighborhood schools
This is why we despise Daly
Eqauting the Obama-birthers with those of us angered by Daly’s divisive policies? Really? You want to talk about a stretch! I think two people made that point in this thread. Get out of here. Go check out the comments of the original blog page at SFgate where Nevius first posted the story. The comments are nearly uniform in their sentiment. People are outraged. Rightly so. This guy is a hypocrite’s hypocrite. Not only that. But he’s gaming the mayor’s housing system, a system set up to assist the very people whose potential home ownership he has tirelessly campaigned against. The social workers and teachers of this city, the type who would buy TICs if they could. He’s absolutely and unequivocally the biggest hypocrite this city has seen in some time.
Hmmm…. is two beers actually Chris Daly? Calling everyone that dare to speak against Daly teabagging birthers does seem very similar to Daly’s own tactics.
Zig…
Please don’t get all homophobic on us. Your post seems to blame gay men for blocking condo conversion and neighborhood schools. I hope you didn’t mean that.
I apologize if it reads that way
I am not blaming them for acting rationally. It just happens to be a pattern I have seem over and over
I was adding this point as something additional (rent control) that makes having a family here difficult. Certainly gay men aren’t the only ones who horde cheap apartments.
Still it is somewhat frustrating to me that a gay man lives in my building and has a two bedroom with enclosed dinner area for half of what I pay for my one bedroom, and he has house out of town.
My wife and I can’t start a family here.
Not much of an apology, Zig. You sound pretty intolerant to me.
Zig, you might want to leave the word “gay” out of your comments since it is completely irrelevant.
Homophobic would imply fear or disapproval of one being gay which is not the case at all.
Please replace “gay” in each on my comments with “those of high, often dual incomes, and no children”
I can’t stand Daly, but he didn’t stop me from having a family here. Neither did any gay people.
I do wish we had a bigger place sometimes. I blame the baby boomers myself. 😉
Thanks, guys, for proving my point. I have read the comments, and they largely evoke the nirther nuts. “Two houses! Divisive! Hypocrite! Conspiracy! Douche! Soshulism! Vulgar! Scummy!”
Daly’s only sin has been to try to slow down the ever-increasing hostility in this city to the renting class.
I know, I know: it’s absolutely disgusting that these renters — the plebians, the proles, the brown people, the immigrants, the single-income families, the students, the artists, the dishwashers, the laborers, the elderly – dare to tell us that we can’t evict them and turn their domiciles into high-end condos (and Rush knows we really need more condos!). How dare these dirty people sully our beautiful city.
Qu’ils mangent de Tartine!
OK Mr. Buzzword. Then explain how Daly’s actions are not hypocritical.
Umm, zig, what does the person’s sexuality have to do with it? There is simply no real need to point out non-relevant personal characteristics when talking about anyone or any group of people.
PS. Describing someone’s income level *is* a relevant personal characteristic for the purposes of a real estate discussion.
OK two beers,
Please explain how keeping the streets dirty and full of urine and feces is helping renters? Do renters not appreciate clean streets, low crime, and good schools too?
And your painting of Daly opponents as far-right Rush listeners is downright offensive.
Trip – Do you have kids in SF? There are a lot of GREAT public schools in SF. Spanish immersion? Can’t get it in ANY private school in the bay area. Mandarin/Cantanese? Can barely get it in the privates. The issue with SFUSD is that it’s hard to get into the schools you want. The “better” options are obviously oversubscribed. Middle and upper class residents gladly send their kids to SFUSD, if they get the schools they desire. SFUSD has budget issues, yes, but that is a state problem. Want to move to the burbs? Sure – go for it but many burbs have a “private-public” school model where parents pay for 1/3 of the cost to run the public school.
come on, zig’s little remark was just a quip, a joke based on stereotype. there was nothing homophobic or vile about it, in and of itself.
C’mon, g nailed it. “Two beers” IS Chris Daly. All the earmarks. (1) a hypocrite: trust fund baby who pretends to be and panders to the poor to gain power, (2) not particularly smart and (mis)uses a few five-dollar words to try to mask it, and (3) a bully who relies on strawmen and rhetoric rather than informed debate. Don’t agree with his poor policies? Then you are a racist, right-wing nut, elder-hating elitist. Anything to avoid focusing on the actual substance, where the empty shell would be so plainly revealed.
Chris, welcome to Socketsite! This is a good place for a poor, down-trodden champion of the underclass like you who now owns three homes!
difanon
I commend you for sticking with the public school and I have heard they are gotten better.
The issue still is with the High Schools. I have lots of family and friends who have gone to public school in SF and it isn’t pretty.
difanon, yes, I have two kids and live in SF. And I love it here (note my comment about this being a great city for kids). Ours are in private school — an excellent one — fortunate to be able to afford it. I agree with you that there is a tiny number of decent public elementary schools and scads of horrific ones. The middle schools are nearly all terrible (Giannini and Presidio are probably the least bad — and they are not great), as are the high schools except for Lowell. And you’re right that the competition for that tiny number of decent lower schools is fierce and very few middle and upper-middle class folks can get into them — an awful lot of those who do get in are well-connected in city government I might add (I know this well as I’m also quite well-connected in city government!).
So those very few do well in the public schools — at least until middle school. Great for them. Unfortunately the much, much larger contingent has to either leave for the suburbs or pay for private school, or sacrifice their kids to lousy public schools. The SFUSD does not have a substantial number of middle-class and upper-class students. It has (I believe) the highest percentage of kids enrolled in free or reduced-price lunch programs of any county in the Bay Area. And the test scores are atrocious.
I’m a public school product and huge believer in the public school system. But the SFUSD stinks, and it is almost entirely due to poor local policy decisions and poor management. Other districts do very well with similar budgets. This is the single biggest reason for the middle class exodus from SF — bigger than housing prices. I wish people voted on this issue at the ballot box rather than with their feet
How is Daly (me, apparently?) responsible for “streets dirty and full of urine and feces.”
I do blame him for the obcvious: the decline in your (collective) property values, the problems with our schools, Rush Limbaugh’s erectile dysfunction, the global economic meltdown caused by the $500+ trillion CDS Ponzie scheme, the closing of Postrio, the weather, and, of course, everything MUNI.
The fact the I may have overpaid for some POS condoloft in SOMA is DALY’s fault, not mine! Yippee! I’m absolved of my stupidity!
You are definitely just like Daly. Gavin Newsom is a fascist, right? I think you have set the record for the most Rush Limbaugh references ever in one thread. Congrats.
There are a lot of things to dislike about Daly–his hypocrisy, his belligerence, his poverty-pimping, his old-style political shakedowns (ORH)–but the worst is that he hasn’t even been effective! He’s left no legacy, hasn’t made the city any better, built no lasting alliances.
I will give him his due, he’s a really good politician. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to convince all the poor renters he’s ostensibly been working so hard for that he’s done nothing for them.
re: How is Daly (me, apparently?) responsible for “streets dirty and full of urine and feces.”
For one, Daly helped to kill the mayor’s community court proposal.
He has really bought two homes in Fairfield, according to sfGate
I am speechless and horrified ! When will this ID10T be relieved of his duties ??
There is more.
“After watching his grades drop precipitously, he withdrew after five nonsequential semesters”
From SFGate article
How does a “trust fund baby” (see article) with no degree get to inflict so much suffering on middle-class San Fransicans ?
I am still in shock and disbelief.
That Daly has been able to so infuriate the criminal pirate class — the landlords, developers, realtwhores, and banksters who’ve treated San Francisco like a latrine and whorehouse – is fine tribute. But their spittle-flecked rage is misplaced: it is their own venality which has led us to this economic and social precipice, and anything Daly did has merely delayed or mitigated the crisis. The blubbering, stuttering, purple-faced, hate-filled land fraudsters need their scapegoat, and predictably, they choose someone who has called attention to their crimes.
I think two beers and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum but I love the posts! Keep them coming.
I love the articles posted by Chad as well. I never really followed Daly too much – from those articles he sounds like a total fool who found a niche in which to siphon a living from even bigger fools (liberals). He certainly came to the right city! Time to grow up I guess – only a few people can last a whole career as a poverty pimp.
Daly is part of the problem with why public schools suck here from K-12. He has his cronies on the Board of Education and his support of the delinquent class is why anyone who wants their children to be well educated, needs to leave the city. Just like he’s doing now, thus proving the point.
The only sad think is that Debra Walker or any of the other socialists angling to replace him could be just as bad from a legislative perspective but not as entertaining. Sandoval was just as bad a supervisor, but not quite as amusing.
And by the way, Chinese and Spanish language immersion is not a positive for the public schools, it’s one of the reason why the schools suck.
Two beers, say something about the guy leaving town while still — ahem — “living” in mayoral housing, all right? Sheesh. Straw man city.
I wouldn’t fault Daly for not having a degree, there are quite a few famous global leaders in the past century without degrees; Marion Barry, Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Hitl…. hey wait a minute…
As despicable a person as he now is, at the time he was accepted to Duke, Daly must have been very smart, and had something in addition that appealed to the admissions office.
It would be interesting to know why he left, as people once admitted do not flunk out of Duke or other schools of that caliber: something usually goes wrong personally. His extreme left wing politics would not have been enough. His anger and hostility and vulgarity of speech would also have been quietly tolerated.
Does anyone know?
Well, even *I* managed to get accepted to Duke (albeit for law school instead of undergrad), so obviously mistakes do happen.
Maybe he was a legacy and not smart.
At Duke, even the legacies are smart.
The Duke Law School is very competitive, although the Medical School and Trinity College (undergrad) may be marginally more so. No stupid people at Duke Law. G must be one smart guy.
As they have been saying for generations, Harvard is the Duke of the north. It is now true.
facts are probably a lost cause, but here’s a couple anyways:
The move is not the result of marital problems (at least that I am aware of). I enjoyed a very pleasant afternoon with both of them over a year ago where potentially moving the children to Fairfield was already a topic. This has been long planned.
It is exactly what it appears to be on the face (Occam’s razor anyone?): a desire to be close to grandparents and give the children someplace to play and be children, a difficult proposition on Stevenson street. Despite all the hyperventilating by the posters here, this wasn’t an easy decision.
Amazing how everyone thinks they bought two homes.
Chris is staying in the house on Stevenson because he wants to complete his term (i.e. keep his job which he is passionate about, and which supports his family). There is nothing illegal or even immoral about that. He is not Ed Jew with an empty residence that is never used. He actually lives in his home in San Francisco. This is far from ideal, but it is what is best for the children, and that’s all I will say about that.
I will go as far to say that I agree with the poster who pointed out that if you are trying to make someone look like a jerk, it’s probably a good idea to not act like an even bigger jerk in the process. I’m completely unimpressed with the class and character of many of the posters here. He’s a Supervisor. He was elected *twice* by his constituents. His will be termed out in 18 months and as someone else pointed out, he will likely be replaced by someone with very similar views. This is a liberal town, and District 6 is one of the most liberal districts. Get over it.
As for being responsible for all the filth, grime, urine, etc. of the tenderloin, the Tenderloin has been a “seedy” part of town going back to at least the 1900’s. I suppose it was Daly’s fault that in 1917 300 prostitutes confronted Rev. Smith on the corner of Leavenworth and O’Farrell to protest his anti-prostitution crusade. They told him they needed the work to support their children to little avail or compassion. It’s also probably Daly’s fault for all of the bars, gambling, billiard halls, speakeasies, etc. that sprang up in the 20’s.
It’s been a shady part of town for close to a hundred years folks, if not more. A single supervisor is not going to turn it into the Marina, no matter how much you may wish it so.
As for one poster who proclaimed he was “not effective”… LOL! In terms of getting legislation passed he is one of the most effective Supervisors on the board, if not the most effective.
http://www.sfgov.org/site/bdsupvrs_page.asp?id=30206
Anyways, I won’t bother with anymore pesky facts. Continue on with your spewing.
The Tenderloin could be cleaned up. Worse neighborhoods in other cities have been gentrified. It take a political will. If the apartments in the neighborhood were condo’d or TIC’d the whole neighborhood would change in a decade.
It served Daly’s agenda to keep it the way it is. He had the crazy idea that prostitutes and drug dealers need a place to live, and there was no reason to move them out.
As many people have said, the fault is District Elections. One very famous former SF politician said to me last week, “They are like Chicago ward bosses.” Let us hope that Fairfield stays blessed by Daly’s residence there, and we in SF move on.
“Amazing how everyone thinks they bought two homes.”
Including Daly himself:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2009/07/actually_it_looks_like_chris_d.php
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/24/BAJU18UJHD.DTL
“Records indicate the Dalys bought their first Fairfield house — a 2,300-square-foot dwelling on Quincey Lane with 4 bedrooms — on Feb. 20 for $270,000. The couple bought the home two doors down from Sarah Daly’s parents — a 1,900-square-foot home on Nantucket Court with a pool — for $275,000 in April. (In Daly’s post on Fog City Journal he said his wife and kids moved in to that house last month, although he continues to reside in their San Francisco condo.)”
Check out google map’s street view for Nantucket Place, and you’ll see that many (if not most) of the houses have three car garages. 94534 is the “expensive” zip code in Fairfield – DQ News shows the median to be $288K – the other zip 94533 has a median of $140K.
Just as I suspected – I’m sure that’s the “nice” part of Fairfield and I highly doubt there’s much “diversity” in that hood. Maybe next time I’m anywhere near that area I’ll check it out and report back the “feel” of the place. I know I’ll be welcome in my 6000 lb SUV there!
Sorry, Nantucket Court, which looks even nicer (and more homogeneous):
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=nantucket+court,+fairfield,+ca&sll=38.262715,-122.074714&sspn=0.013883,0.026071&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=38.26284,-122.078747&panoid=ECu5clSHHjiV44K3V1EkeA&cbp=12,159.16,,0,17.59
I actually voted for him when I moved into the Mission district/Soma. I did’nt know anything about either candidate. Some people came into our building and rang my bell. They were really nice and told me he represented everything good. I could’nt be bothered, they caught me at a bad time and by surprise, so I told them I’d vote for him to make them leave.
At the time I was ignorant about SF politics, by choice, but not anymore. I hope that district gets some sense. He really did’nt help anyone but himself.
missionite… or should we say comrade missionite.
Daly is crazy and his wife is just as bad. Going to Cuba to protest US policies, Castro used them both as shills. Real activists would have gone to Cuba to protest Castro. They are just crazy white people trying to escape their upper middle class suburban guilt.
“Facts” are he was an unwelcome interloper in this town who was elected by by about 8,500 people total out of 20k votes cast in his district. Really? In a city of nearly 800,000, 1% of the city subjected us to this jackass for 8 years?
I’m sure there is room for all of them in Fairfield as well… along with their friends… hint hint missionite.
San Francisco had citywide elections for many decades and that BoS did not clean up the Tenderloin either. If anything, it was even worse then.
Daly did a good job representing his constituency, which is why he got elected, and was good at squeezing developers for extra BMR housing, which is why he is hated on SocketSite.
I am not a particular fan of his economic policies, but I think he is a colorful and interesting character and I think San Francisco will be lessened by his absence.
San Francisco has one of the best urban school districts in the country:
http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=about.didyouknow
If you don’t want you children associating with “those people” then you need to move to the suburbs or send them to private school, because it is true that the schools are quite diverse.
I don’t really get the reference to Daly as a crazy leftist or commie. He’s just an uber-corrupt politician mostly looking out for his self-interest. I don’t find much of what he’s done as lefty – gives true lefties a bad name. True lefties believe in active police control over negative behavior, because it benefits EVERYONE. Good social behavior is not a “capitalist” behavior, and bad social behavior is not a “socialist” or “communist” behavior.
If you don’t want you children associating with “those people” then you need to move to the suburbs or send them to private school, because it is true that the schools are quite diverse.
And that’s exactly what Chris Daly is doing!
“Diversity is an old wooden ship.”
San Francisco has one of the best urban school districts in the country:
http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=about.didyouknow
Hey, I saw that flyer, too! IIRC, a guy was peeing on it outside the Federal Building. Not with malicious intent, I assume.
I just re-read it (the online copy) and three things struck me:
1. The SFSUD website trumpets how better it is than the “large, urban” school districts, and yet does not bother comparing itself to districts with large super-majorities of parents with college degrees, and very high concentrations of parents with advanced/professional degrees. Both are demographically accurate, so I wonder how they decided which universe to use. Perhaps they flipped a coin.
2. The flyer makes no mention of SAT scores. SFSUD is average, being a teensy bit higher in math and a teensy bit lower in verbal from the national median.
3. A lot of emphasis is put on Lowell — a.k.a “good schools” — and yet, due to #2 above, this just means that there are offsetting outliers in the other direction — “bad schools”. So, really, there is a lot of variance in the quality of the education. Usually that’s not considered a good thing, but fortunately parents can choose… Oh wait!
If you don’t want you children associating with “those people” then you need to move to the suburbs
Heh. A pet meme. Well, here is my patented racist-accusation-free-algorithm:
The performance is average. But there is a lot of variance, so the risk adjusted performance is below average. Parents tend to be risk-intolerant with education (which is not the same as intolerant). At the same time, because the parents tend to be above average, they expect their kids to be also. So, the hedonic adjustment takes it from “below average” to “poor”. That’s how you go from the SFSUD flyer to an assessment that the schools are poor.
I’m a Realtor in SF and I just checked the tax records. This home was listed for $295,000 and purchased for $270,000. It previously sold for $485,000 in 2004. This was a short sale (seller owed more to the bank then it was worth). But the most interesting part is that there is no loan on the property, it was purchased in cash. And the selling agent is listed as Russell Low, Broker. Low is Daly’s wife’s last name, so Russell is clearly a family member. Chris Daly said he can’t afford to purchase a home in SF? I call BS on that. There are plenty of single family homes in SF in the 500-700k price range and if the stupervisor had that much cash in the bank he could easily qualified for a conforming loan with 20% down and more to spare. What a complete hypocritical jackass. The sooner he leaves the better!
“If you don’t want you children associating with ‘those people’ then you need to move to the suburbs or send them to private school, because it is true that the schools are quite diverse.”
NVJ, such a childish remark is beneath you. You generally don’t stoop to such poor rhetoric.
San Francisco has one of the best urban school districts in the country:
http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/default.cfm?page=about.didyouknow
Hey, I saw that flyer, too! IIRC, a guy was peeing on it outside the Federal Building. Not with malicious intent, I assume.
You probably shouldn’t have picked it up and read it then, Robert. Just a suggestion.
Where is the evidence for your claim that the parents of SFUSD parents are above average, Robert?
Unfortunately, slightly less than half of any group can be “above average” as I am sure you know. And in San Francisco, about 30% of SF students attend private school, while the overall state average is 8.5%. Private schools tend to “cherry pick” rejecting children with special needs. And private schools are expensive, so I am sure that the student population skews wealthy, notwithstanding the effect of scholarships. The wealthy tend to outperform middle income and poor students academically for reasons that are too complex to get into here.
So SFUSD actually loses most of what would be its best performing students and still achieves an average statewide rating. Which is pretty darn good, considering. About 1/3 of San Francisco’s public schools overall score over a 800 on the API, which means that they are very good schools.
I personally think that not just Lowell, but also SOTA, Washington and Lincoln are all perfectly fine high schools, even though the latter two suffer doubly from the “cream skimming” effect because not only are private school children removed from their pool of potential applicants, but also Lowell students.
Having said all that, there are plenty of poor schools too and I would not want my kids to have to go to one that was unsanitary or dangerous. And because of the lottery, you don’t always know where you are going to end up. So I won’t rule out sending my kids to private school or moving to someplace like Piedmont either.
The most important thing to a child’s academic success is parenting anyway. If you have a rich, intellectually stimulating home life and teach your children good habits, they will thrive almost anywhere. I think the main risk is that they will fall in with a bad crowd, of which there are some of almost anywhere.
I consider it unethical for Daly to stay on the BOS if he has clear and obvious intention of leaving San Francisco.
I would apply that same standard to any other BoS, if they plan on leaving they should step down.
NVJ, I believe Robert’s point was that nothing is a more powerful predictor of a child’s performance, and, collectively, a school system performance, that socio-enconomic background. Since SF possesses one of the wealthiest and best educated citizenry, the expectation would be that it would have some of the best schools as well.
An interesting side note. For decades now, the education research has struggled to find impact of per pupil spending and class size on education. The one school system variable that does matter? Principals who have enough power to control their schools (set ciriculum, move out bad teachers, retain good ones …). Schools suffer under politicized school boards, top-heavy administration and powerful unions, and these factors cripple most city school systems. Chubb/Moe 1990 was seminal on this point (although their work is better known for its policy recommendations that the underlying research).
The most important thing to a child’s academic success is parenting anyway. If you have a rich, intellectually stimulating home life and teach your children good habits, they will thrive almost anywhere.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s why no one should get all weepy eyed over the (miniscule) “cuts” to K-12 education in the latest budget deal. Throwing more money at the “problem” wouldn’t make any substantial difference anyway, so there was no reason to raise taxes to fund a model that is fundamentally flawed.
Where is the evidence for your claim that the parents of SFUSD parents are above average, Robert?
While I was generally thinking about the demographics of the city as a whole, I absolutely believe that SFUSD parents are above average in terms of educational attainment.
Unfortunately, I don’t have access to the relevant variables in my microdata sample, which would quickly resolve this. But, by looking at the census reports, we can make a strong case for it:
For educational attainment:
Private school enrollment should be strongly tied to income. In San Francisco, having a bachelors degree is so common that it is only weakly tied to income.
For example, renters are a good proxy for the bottom 60% of incomes, and have about half the income of owners, yet 52% of renter households hold a bachelors degree or higher, whereas for owners the rate is 62%. So halving the median income from 102K to 52K leads to only a mild drop in educational attainment (as measured by baccalaureates).
Nationwide, 29% of households hold a bachelors degree or higher. So, the bottom 2/3 of San Francisco households have a 23% lead over the national average.
So there’s a pretty strong case that even ignoring the 30% that attend private school, the remaining public school population still holds a massive lead in terms of educational attainment.
As an aside, in SF there are more households whose highest degree is a professional or advanced degree rather than households who hold only a bachelors.
For income:
Here, I have microdata. After dropping the top 30% of households, SF median household income is about 55K (2007 data), whereas median household income of the U.S. as a whole was 50K in 2007.
All of this is without adjusting downward the national stats to compensate for private school enrollment outside of S.F.
Wouldn’t we need to only look at households with kids? There’s a far higher than average group of households here without kids, which would skew those numbers considerably, no?
Just anecdotally, it sure seems that the poorer (and less educated) you are in SF, the more likely you are to have kids. Part of the reason why the Tenderloin and Western Addition have some of the highest numbers of children/household.
Wouldn’t we need to only look at households with kids?
That would be ideal, yes. Go ahead and report back 🙂
There’s a far higher than average group of households here without kids, which would skew those numbers considerably, no?
Why? in SF, families with children under 18 have a higher median income than families without children. Nationally, the opposite is true. Now its conceivable that even though they have higher incomes, that they are less educated, but it seems unlikely. Either way, the difference is not very large. For it to skew the numbers significantly, you would need to assume that even though the city as a whole has almost double the college degrees of the rest of the country, the sub-population of parents, with their higher incomes, has half the degree rates of their peers. I think, for that, you would need to provide evidence.
I understand the stereotype that rich families move out when they have kids, but what the data suggests is that those who move out tend to be poorer, on a net basis. This is an expensive city, and kids are expensive, so there is more incentive for poorer families to leave, leaving the wealthier families behind. This would explain the divergence in incomes versus the nation as a whole. Maybe we can start calling this the “Daly effect” 🙂
So, there is no reason to believe that the missing kids, on a net basis, are disproportionately the children of better educated parents.
Just anecdotally, it sure seems that the poorer (and less educated) you are in SF, the more likely you are to have kids.
I heard that welfare queen speech, too, but the data suggests this isn’t the case for San Francisco.
Thanks for the data Robert. I wouldn’t have thought that to be true, but it appears so.
Canwe get back to ripping Chris Daly for being a hypocritcal limousine liberal? That was a lot more fun.
Sorry, Fischbum. I thought that line of analysis was exhausted with the lucifer comment. Perhaps we can push it further.
You milked San Francisco for all it was worth. Your a slick one but not much different than most of the other City workers.
I know Daly can be ripped more, but it’s hard to keep interest when the discussion sidetracks into how great SF public schools are and that Duke students are really really smart.
If we can all agree that SF Schools suck and that Duke students are really just rich, well educated prep school products who weren’t smart enough to get into any Ivy League school, Northwestern or Stanford.
Back to Daly… looks like it was around 100 degrees in Fairfield this weekend, which is just the way his best friend Mestopholies likes it.
Jimmy C you do not know what you are talking about when you write: “Duke students are really just rich, well educated prep school products who weren’t smart enough to get into any Ivy League school, Northwestern or Stanford.”
Duke is s diverse school economically, and has been for a very long time. It is “need-blind.” Duke University is the beneficiary not only of its own Duke University Endowment, but also the Duke Endowment itself.
It is ranked right in the middle of the Ivys, and attracts many students were also accepted to all those you mentioned. I agree that we should not be talking about Duke, but you should not be posting ignorant comments about a great university.
Chris Daly got in to the college, unfortunately.
Where did you go, Jimmy C, undergrad and grad?
C’mon Conifer, everyone knows Duke is a second-rate school for trust fund losers. Just like BU.
Isn’t it interesting that the only thing that concerns people is a universities’ value as a status indicator. What, if anything, a student actually learned while they were there is pretty much irrelevant.
Well one of the interesting things I learned quite quickly when I arrived in this country is that (a) the courses at MIT were no more rigorous than what I studied at the “state” school (in Canada there are no private universities) where I did my undergrad, and (b) the name recognition of your college is very important here, much more so than what you learned (if anything).
Of course the name recognition just opens doors, what happens after that is up to you as many of my Harvard-grad friends have learned.
MIT=safety school
Conifer – where I went to college isn’t important as I’ve moved on to better things in life, but would you be impressed if you knew I went to La Sorbonne Nouvelle, as most faux intellectual blowhards are facinated by where you went rather than what you’ve done since.
And I resent any accusation or discussion that takes away from ripping Chris Daly, who is a textbook case of why everyone hates Duke students, alumni and dropouts.
Jimmy C. – “As far as demonizing Daly, he does it to himself”
Jimmy C. – “I wouldn’t fault Daly for not having a degree, there are quite a few famous global leaders in the past century without degrees; Marion Barry, Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Hitl…. hey wait a minute…”
Yeah, Daly is similar to Hitler. Way to go there Jimmy C. *applaud* Can you not really understand that while I don’t agree with Daly’s policies, you comparing him with Mussolini, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, and Hitler might actually detract from you convincing me why I should oppose him?
I did not originally vote for Daly’s election but I did vote to re-elect him for one simple reason. It was a flyer mailed to me by some group opposing Daly. It showed a picture of him yelling at a SF cop. Right then I decided that if the people that thought the SFPD did not need to be yelled at were opposing Daly and supporting his opponent, then Daly would get my vote.
Daly is really no different from most of the “progressives” in this town. They love to tell other people how they should live their lives, but when it comes to themselves, it’s a whole different set of rules.
The Hitler comparison was inevitable, as predicted by Godwin’s law. I’m only surprised it took this many posts…
Rillion, wow, casting a vote on the basis of a flyer. Now I know what kind of voters Daly has supporting him as well as how Bush was elected twice. Poorly educated voters.
But I’m sure with the ad industry in tough times right now, they will be encouraged that people are still simple enough to buy into what’s on a flyer/commercial rather than doing research on products or candidates.
I see you completely ignored the first part of my comment Jimmy and failed to address the contradiction between your claim that you are not demonizing Daly yet you compare him to people responsible for the deaths of millions.
Also what evidence do you have that I am poorly educated? Or that I did not do any research on the candidates? Of course I guess I should not expect someone that thinks some local politician in San Francisco is comparable to Hitler to avoid jumping to conclusions and insult me by innuendo.
I didn’t state that Daly is responsible for killing millions. That was your assumption.
I just inferred that he was in the same company as some leaders who did not graduate from college, were swept into a position of authority by a minority for the benefit of few but to the distress of many.
8,500 (total votes for him in last election)junkies, misguided elderly people and just plain social malcontents have forced him on a city of 800,000 to the benefit of few, but causing problems for many that will haunt us long after he is gone. So he does have much in common with the people mentioned.
I stand by my opionin, that Daly has been a disaster and the people who vote for him really don’t understand what is good for this city long term or short term.
>I didn’t state that Daly is responsible for killing millions. That was your assumption.
Please point out where I say what you just accuse me of saying. No where do I see myself writing that you said is responsible for killing millions.
>I just inferred that he was in the same company as some leaders did not graduate from college, were swept into a position of authority by a minority for the benefit of few but to the distress of many.
Right, you compared him to Hitler and Pol Pot and others. Are you objecting to me pointing out that some of the people you are comparing him to killed millions?
>8,500 (total votes for him in last election)junkies, misguided elderly people and just plain social malcontents
Too bad his opponents were not able to find 8,501 non-junkies, misguided elderly people or social malcontents that would vote for someone else. Yes Democracy sucks when the guy you don’t like wins, but going around ranting that he is friends with the devil and shares the educational background of Hitler isn’t going to get win you many converts.
>I stand by my opionin, that Daly has been a disaster and the people who vote for him really don’t understand what is good for this city long term or short term.
And I stand by my opinion that insulting your opponents and the people that supported him is not going to help your cause. Just because Daly does the same does not mean that it is going to help you convince people that there is a better alternative.
NVJ, such a childish remark is beneath you. You generally don’t stoop to such poor rhetoric.
Well you know, it is not just rhetoric, it is backed by the facts of the student population and public school enrollment.
I am sure that no one in San Francisco is so unenlightened as to actually be racist, but you can see by the demographics that the private schools are almost entirely composed of white students who have been withdrawn from the public school system. We don’t have statistic on what private school enrollment is like, but we can figure it out by looking at who is missing from the public school population:
Our 0-18 demographic breakdown:
Child Population:
African American/Black 8.6%
Asian 33.4%
Caucasian/White 27.6%
Hispanic/Latino 22.0%
Native American 0.2%
Pacific Islander 0.9%
Multiracial 7.4%
http://www.kidsdata.org/topictables.jsp?csid=0&t=24&i=10&ra=3_132&link=&
And our SFUSD student population:
African American/Black 12.8%
Asian 40.6%
Caucasian/White 10.7%
Filipino 5.7%
Hispanic/Latino 23.5%
Native American/Alaska Native 0.6%
Pacific Islander 1.3%
http://www.kidsdata.org/topictables.jsp?csid=0&t=24&i=10&ra=3_132&link=&
Where did all the White kids go? If you multiply the second group by .7 (the public school market share) you can see that about 1/4 of the white kids go to public school and 3/4 to private school. In the Asian population about 4/5 go to public school and 1/5 to private school. For Latino’s about 3/4 go to public school, the rest private. Very few blacks go to private school.
Apparently, 100% of the multi-racial kids go to private schools 😉
Look, I’m sure there is some number of white parents who send their kids to private school because of racial issues. But you can bet that the vast majority of private school families in 2009 make that choice because the public schools stink. Correlation does not mean causation. That’s why I made the comment you highlight. I don’t have numbers handy, but I’m quite confident it is not race, but income level, that determines who goes to private schools — i.e. if you can afford it, you go that route. It just so happens (for reasons we can debate ad nauseum) that income and race correlate fairly well in this town. For more than 20 years this city has been so hell-bent on ensuring that schools generally populated by white kids don’t perform better than other schools that they’ve driven down the quality of all schools. I understand the concern, but the execution of the “solution” has been a disaster.
I’m actually quite surprised by the fairly high percentage of Latino kids in private schools. I wouldn’t pin that on racism against Asian kids.
I’m actually quite surprised by the fairly high percentage of Latino kids in private schools. I wouldn’t pin that on racism against Asian kids.
I’d assume it has a lot to do with religion.
To address Robert’s point, 54% of students in SFUSD get free or reduced price lunches. You have to be less than 180% of the poverty level to get reduced lunches in California, I don’t see how that can jibe with his income statistics, except perhaps the poverty level is higher here, due to the high cost of living.
As a comparison, 51% of California students as a whole get free or reduced cost meals.
NoeValleyJim, do you plan on your children attending SFSD schools through high schoool, or will I be seeing you on the Peninsula in 10 years?
Of course that would mean you would have to own a car!!!! and we know your feelings about THAT :).
Asian families in California as a whole have a higher median family income than whites, but I can’t find that data for San Francisco only. I bet Robert can tease it out of census data.
There is obviously something different happening with Asian families in general: being socioeconomically disadvantaged doesn’t seem to have any effect on Asian student performance, while it is a huge effect for everyone else.
Perhaps this explains Asian reluctance to send their kids to private schools, since they don’t see as much benefit because they do fine in public schools.
NoeValleyJim, do you plan on your children attending SFSD schools through high schoool, or will I be seeing you on the Peninsula in 10 years?
I do intend to send my children to public schools in San Francisco. I would like them to go to Fairmount Spanish immersion, which is a short walk from our house, but I am not sure that my wife and the SFUSD will co-operate with this plan. As I said before, if we simply cannot into a tolerable school (and I will tolerate a lot) then we would have to consider either moving, probably to East Bay, or sending them to private school. I have expressed an interest in the “poor part” of Piedmont before, where you can live on Grand Ave, near The Lake in Oakland, but still get Piedmont schools.
First choice is definitely to stay here though. The School District is changing the way the lottery works next year, it will probably limit our choices, but I am sure that Fairmount will still be available.
^^^@NVJ – Well I respect your wanting to stick it out. The Piedmont “plan B” does not sound bad either.
Your wanting to be a part of the solution is the only way public schools will succeed in the future. This is the complete opposite of Chris Daly who runs away to the suburbs.
About the public/private demographics shift, I’ll put in a request to iPums for the microdata. I’ll post the results in this thread or a more recent thread as appropriate. I don’t want to do any more indirect demographic inferences, as the census has variables for public/private school enrollment as well as economic and racial variables.
About the public/private school stuff, I’m reminded of the saying “when they are young they step on your toes, and when they are older, they step on your heart.” But, really NVJ’s kids will be just fine, as will LMRiM’s, or the children of other posters that make personal sacrifices for their child’s well-being. I’ve noticed with friends of mine when they have kids, that they think they will break them if they do something wrong. Even to the point of buying only organic ingredients, or trying to protect them from views that they deem harmful. This includes liberal claptrap as well as creationist/theological claptrap. It’s just not that important to the child’s outcome in comparison to the values that the parents instill.
In reality, kids are made out of rubber, and will have a rich education whether in public or private school, and will inherit their parents’ qualities in interesting and unexpected ways. And the parents (this includes Daly) should be given a break. No guilt should be ascribed to school, job, or geographic choices made by parents who are trying to thread the needle of their children’s needs.
Re: Chris Daly — has anyone entertained the idea that SF was his playground — a sort of personal education — and that he grew up a bit, and is now going to try to focus on his family? At least, it’s a possibility. Besides, we all know that in his role as supervisor, he was just a pawn of the Sith Lord Peskin. 🙂
Agreed, Robert, And, you know, you bring up a very good point about ideology. I know I throw the term “diversity” around a lot, but honestly I’m not thinking about racial diversity.
(Well, maybe a little – you’d have to be blind or a nutball liberal to fail to notice that there are high correlations between concentrations of certain racial groups and school quality as measured by the standard variables.)
Most of the people I know in SF who have moved out “for the schools” or went the parochial school route have typically said that they don’t want the “social indoctrination” of the SF public school system. We even know two or three couples who were very unhappy with Clarendon for those reasons.
Private school in SF is not always the answer for these types, as we discovered when we pulled our child out of the private school he was scheduled to attend and decamped for Tiburon. Also, note that many parochial schools have arbitrary age cutoffs (they want older children), but because one of the functions of the public school system is to act as a day care for the underclass, this is not a problem for young kids who want to enter kindergarten at 4-1/2.
Although I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not a big believer in the public school system and I’d be shocked if my child is in public school past the second or third grade, I will say that I’ve been surprised at how good the Tiburon elementary school has been. They seem to have a fair degree of local control and appear to make decisions regarding the children that would be challenged in SF (rather not go into it further). The facilities are amazing – they put any private school we looked at in SF to shame.
I disagree with NVJ’s implication somewhere in the comments above that the condition of “sociologically disadvantage” is what causes poor performance and educational conditions. Sure, I’ll grant that there’s some correlation, but the cause is poor and inferior culture at home. Plenty of groups have been very poor at various times in the past (for instance, Jewish and Italian kids in the public schools in the earlier part of the 20th century) and yet didn’t destroy the ocal school system. Something changed radically post-1960s.
Some sanctimonious stuff here. Complete with the requisite race-, poverty-, and class- baiting (did I miss any?).
But it appears not a single commenter on this thread is actually sending his/her children to SF public schools currently (correct me if I’m mistaken — I didn’t read everything), and many of you might not even have kids yet!
Even our noble NoeValleyJim, “who can tolerate alot” (no sh*t!), is considering the diversity of the “poor part” of Piedmont (whew!), while sending his kids (no doubt) to pre-school in Noe Valley somewhere while waiting for the lottery results.
True San Franciscans, no question 🙂
You missed the liberal- baiting, dub dub 🙂
“You missed the liberal- baiting”
I did indeed! 🙂
“Most of the people I know in SF who have moved out “for the schools” or went the parochial school route have typically said that they don’t want the “social indoctrination” of the SF public school system.”
As someone who is starting down the barrel of the SFUSD lottery system, I’m curious about this comment. What do they mean by “social indoctrination”, exactly? The fact that they seem to spend more time talking about social justice and diversity than reading and math? Because I have noticed this at many SF private schools, as well.
Bingo, just curious.
I think that my language was a little muddled in my original post, but your comment about this being the case at SF private schools as well is what I was getting at when I said that “private school in SF is not always the answer for [people who don’t want the indoctrination]”.
I have some pretty funny stories from our encounters with SF private schools but discretion (for once, lol) prevents me from posting them 🙂
For all the Daly haterz, the latest from the Chronicle: Daly declined to speak to us, but told The Chronicle’s Marisa Lagos that his parents took out a line of equity to pay for each home, and that he plans to pay them back – in part, by refinancing the properties and his condo in San Francisco, leaving him with a mortgage on all three. As I pointed out in another thread, foreclosures (NODs, NOTS, bank owned) outnumber homes for sale 8 to 1 in Fairfield(!). I’d say there’s plenty of room to go down further with all of that pent up supply. While I doubt that Chris will default on his in-laws, it could make for some tense family gatherings when the appraisals don’t come through for the refis.
@Julie Peisner
You are right, it was an ALL CASH deal totaling over half a million.
Who knews Poverty Pymping was soooo lucrative ? Daly gets to laugh at all of us for electing him to the board again and again and again !
Of course, poverty pimping/race racketeering probably did line Chris Daly’s pockets, but note how the SFGate tried to cover up for him by saying that the cash came from his parents (back in Washington, DC), who supposedly took out an equity line of credit on their house and lent it to jr.
This guy really sounds like a total phony, not to mention a chump if he really had to hit up his parents for a “loan” at almost 40 years old. Didn’t mommy and daddy also “loan” him the downpayment on his SF condo?
Perhaps his parents are wealthy. It may not be all that much money to prosperous people.
My opinion of Daly has gone up, now that I realize that he was just in it for the money, as opposed to being serious about his various agendas. No worse than what the banksters did.
Perhaps his parents are wealthy.
Dad is a career Federal bureaucrat and mom is an accountant, according to the articles in the SFGate I saw. You could definitely siphon a lot of money as a bureaucrat, though. For the record, I don’t think $500K is all that much money either, but what do I know, I’m just a renter.
With his recent purchase, added to 3 mortgages wait for him to start start fighting against prop 13 once he gets all property tax bill in the mail.