While first priced at $659,000 as part of “Valencia Triangle” in June of 2006, and then at $599,000 when when the building re-released as “Mission Valencia” this past November, the list price for 3184 Mission Street #302 was just reduced $14,000 (now “Priced from $585,000”). At the same time, the list price for #401 (which represents the upper end of the twenty condos in the building) was reduced from $799,000 to $749,000.
∙ Take Two For Valencia Triangle Mission Valencia (3184 Mission) [SocketSite]
∙ Valencia Triangle (3184 Mission) [SocketSite]
∙ Listing: 3184 Mission Street #302 (2/2) – $585,000 [MLS]
∙ Listing: 3184 Mission Street #401 (2/2) – $749,000 [MLS]
Love the location and even the pricing. But the picture showing all the unit entries from the inner, outdoor courtyard is very Motel 6ish.
Wow, is that a crappy photoshop job on the windows. Have these guys no shame?
Will, I couldn’t agree more about the Motel 6 shot. I find it so institutional as to be depressing. You would think the listing agent would have rejected that picture. Horrible.
Comment to mktwatcher (and countless others who post at this site): What is the logic of you people here constantly commenting on the marketing of properties, vs. the properties themselves? I have seen so many postings on how properties are staged, etc. I guess that makes sense if you are all agents discussing business, but to me it is a bit bizarre. If the property has entryways that are reminiscent of a Motel 6, then it simply does. As a homebuyer, I appreciate photos that accurately depict a property, saving me the time of of a wasted visit, or worse, misleading me as to what it is being offered.
location is bad
pricing is still to high
it looks like a motel 6 from the ouside as well
Outside doesn’t look like a Motel 6; only the interior courtyard does. The outside is faux Victorian–not particularly attractive, but better than the stucco apartments built across the street.
Location is very convenient– more good restaurants within a block of this location than almost anywhere else in SF, and a short walk to BART and to the parks of Bernal.
Um, sb – I hate to break the news to you, location is not bad. We live in the neighborhood now. It’s a bit noisy at times, but other than that, we like it. As for the photoshop comment, you couldn’t be more wrong – we have been to see the place a few times now, and that is exactly what you see from the windows of the top floor unit that is pictured. Maybe you should get your facts straight, or perhaps check it out yourself. The roof deck, which is just outside the door of this unit, has some decent views as well. We particularly liked the outside of the building in respect to the fact that it more or less blends in with the neighborhood architecture rather than standing out as most new buildings do. Look like a nice coffee shop opening on the ground floor as well.
Robert – The comments on the marketing of properties fits into the overall “tips, trends and the local scene” that this blog is all about. I appreciate that it can also promote truth in advertising and other good business practices (as well as a plenty of lessons in economics from Satchel), but it’s also about having a little fun.
Agent marketing practices have been the subject of fun ever since I was a wee tyke and my brother taught me the basics: “cozy” was r.e. jargon for “small”, for example.
This area sucks! According to the latest police report, this area shows an increase in violent robberies, car break-in’s and petty theft from an already high crime rate area. Recently, there was a high profile murder near 29th St. & Mission St.
To the naysayers, you claim that this neighborhood is much better than Noe Valley, Union St., North Beach, etc. You guys are full of s***.
On any given day, the number of people walking the streets between Valencia & Cortland is a FRACTION of the foot traffic of other neighorhoods.
Wake up and face reality!
“Recently, there was a high profile murder near 29th St. & Mission St.”
CrimeMaps lists no murders near 29th and Mission Sts. I assume you are referring to the murder of a guy in the witness protection program on 26th St, on the other side of Cesar Chavez, in the Mission. A few blocks can make quite a difference in SF.
And Stephanie/Spencer, actually there is quite a bit of foot traffic in this neighborhood, with people walking to the multitude of restaurants and bars, and over the Mitchell’s for ice cream.
“As for the photoshop comment, you couldn’t be more wrong – we have been to see the place a few times now, and that is exactly what you see from the windows of the top floor unit that is pictured.”
I think that the poster was referring to the tone blended window scenes. No doubt that those are the buildings and stuff that you see out of the windows, but there is no way to take a single photograph like that. Not to get too technical, but if you are interested, look up “tone blending” or HDR.
That photo included here in the SS article was indeed manipulated. Altered, yes. Deceptive, no.
You sure those windows been shooped? They look kind of like plain long exposures to me, possibly using HDR techniques.
Stephanie – you need to get your facts straight. A person was recently murdered near 26th & Mission who did happen to be in the witness protection program. Unfortunate. This is a great neighborhood for those of us that have lived in and around it for years now. There are some great restaurants and bars in the area. It’s a very local flavor. It’s an easy walk to Cortland Street, Church Street, Glen Park, and Noe, if you prefer a different vibe. Public transit is a snap, and both 101 & 280 are right at your doorstep. No, it’s not exactly Noe, North Beach, or Union Street (thank God), and that’s why we like it here. Way too much for you to comprehend, I am sure.
The larger units are very nice – especially now that the prices have been lowered. There is not much else to choose from in this area as far as new condos.
I still disagree about the photo – I think it was taken very late afternoon, perhaps dusk, sky was clear, using the right techniques, lighting and lens, I think it’s exactly what you see.
I personally don’t consider this area particularly dangerous (I actually live within walking distance in Bernal), but there was in fact a shooting just up the block on Mission @ 29th on Saturday night:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/07/BAOJUABQJ.DTL&tsp=1
I agree with Stephanie. There is a MAJOR difference between living here and patronizing restaurants in the area. Personally, I would much prefer the latter as many of my friends can attest.
COMMENT TO POST BY CITYDWELL4ME, you claim that it’s an easy walk to Glen Park. Are you talking about walking to the nice restaurants in Glen Park? I highly doubt ANYONE walks there from here. I live in Diamond Hts and frequently patronize Glen Park and have yet to see what you are talking about.
Just because condos are lower priced in this area doesn’t mean that you should live here. If this was such a popular area to live in, don’t you think there would be more housing built? Hmm??? I believe that is called, SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
Thank you MATTP for the SFGate article.
Here’s another article on crime in today’s SFGate.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/15/BAQHUF1NG.DTL
I’ve lived up the hill from this area for the last 12+ years, and walk down to the restaurants and shops often, and have never been bothered or felt threatened in any way. I can’t imagine being scared of this neighborhood. I see elderly and disabled neighbors walking their dogs at night in our neighborhood.
There are people on this site who are terrified of any neighborhood in which they might run into Latinos or African Americans. If one encounters a group of Latinos on that block, they are more likely coming from the evangelical church rather than from a gang rumble.
People raised in suburbia move to San Francisco, and are uncomfortable with its diversity. Americans drive out of their gated communities, pick up coffee at the drive-through Starbucks, on their way to the suburban office park, without ever encountering anyone different from themselves. Maybe that explains how this country elected (or near-elected) Bush/Cheney for 2 terms. Anyway, there are a lot of places to live in that kind of bubble (as opposed to the speculative bubble). I choose not to fear my neighbors.
Thank you, Dan – for some great comments. I could not agree with you more.
Robert, you can walk to GP from here. It’s not that bad. If you prefer not to walk, it’s very easy to get there via public transit.
Supply and demand? Maybe – but I doubt it. If the land is not readily available to build on, then you can’t really build. Is there an abundance of vacant lots on Mission Street? Not that I can remember. It’s not like we are talking about Mission Bay, or China Basin here.
After seeing the same argument on a previous posting about this development, I finally feel the need to chime in.
I’ve lived two blocks from this complex for six years. I’m the type of person who’s anxious about what bad things might happen. I’m always analyzing Crime Maps & reading the police reports.
Neither I nor any of my friends and neighbors have had any bad experiences in this neighborhood. We walk around daily, and have been known to stagger home from the Argus (right across from Mission Valencia) late and alone.
That’s not to say nothing ever happens. You have to be reasonably smart. This is a city, and it’s not a posh neighborhood. There are occasional street crimes, like there are in other neighborhoods, but not near as many as in the Inner Mission. Probably more than Orinda, though.
It’s a great, diverse, and changing neighborhood. There are many families, and great food for people with or without lots of money.
People who are not comfortable here are welcome to remain where they are. Preferably quietly.
I couldn’t agree with those who think this area is great.
I’ve lived here for a while now.. and “god forbid, I even purchased a condo here”… it’s great, people are nice, awesome places to eat at, the weather is by far better than anywhere else in the city.. and I can go on…. and my wife and I take daily and NIGHTLY walks… and not once has there been an incident. As for crime, of course there have been and I’m sure will be more street crime etc.. but that goes with any urban center. Generally though, it’s around Mission and 20th and lower.. that these gang related crimes take place, and certainly not past Cezar Chavez.
I agree, it’s a bit noisy, but then again, it’s the city.. and that’s why in part we love it and choose to live there. Those who feel “threatened for their life” to frequent this area, pleeeeeaaasee stay far far away, as this neighborhood can use less of a “suburban white picket fences” crowd. Stick to your local starbucks and support your local conservative party.