It shouldn’t seem like much of a “secret” (or come as any surprise) to the plugged-in people, but as a tipster notes the sales office at One Rincon Hill is now advertising (at least to the agent community) “Over 20% Discounts On Many New Homes” as well as a “4% Broker co-op” (buyer’s agent commission) through the end of March.
∙ One Rincon Hill: From The $500’s $700’s $500’s [SocketSite]
Well, I think we can all agree that it *is* on a busy street!
I wonder if the ones in mid 5’s will have the sought after views of the direct headlights on 80?
That’s green design in practice. Cuts down on lighting costs.
Mark my words: there will be more discounts. Infinity will soon join the discount party as the layoffs continue to snowball because some fool in the White House just can’t get his sh!t straight: “Tax the rich.”. “No, give bailout money to the rich.”. “Huh? Tax the rich on the money we gave to the rich.”. D’oh!!!
[Editor’s Note: Infinity joined the discount party last year: Infinity Sales Update: New Contracts Up But Driven By Discounts. You know, when another President was at the helm.]
Might be even sweeter if they ditched the not-so-secret realtor incentive to work over prospective buyers in favor of “we’ll pay your HOA dues for two years if your don’t use a broker!”
Here is what mid 500s looks like:
http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&PRGNAME=MLSPropertyDetail&ARGUMENTS=-N316415178,-N231889,-N,-A,-N17549085
Thanks jj, that is certainly illuminating. So $909 per square foot, plus HOA fees at $693 and city views? No bargain to me.
These threads just aren’t the same without Recent ORH buyer (aka ORH sales team) postings.
Am I the only potential buyer who’s turned off by the large commissions being offered to my agent? To me it seems like a brazen admission that the purchase is not in my interest…
When I return to the RE market I hope I can negotiate compensation for my realtor that is solely a function of the effort he puts in to find me a suitable home and to properly execute the transaction.
Mark my words: there will be more discounts. Infinity will soon join the discount party as the layoffs continue to snowball because some fool in the White House just can’t get his sh!t straight: “Tax the rich.”. “No, give bailout money to the rich.”. “Huh? Tax the rich on the money we gave to the rich.”. D’oh!!!
Yep, it’s all Obama’s fault. Come on, can’t we be a little more creative in finding people to blame?
Besides, the Infinity (and ever other place) is already discounting.
Or maybe Recent ORH Buyer was more like a Recent ORH Seller trying to get a bit of positive through until his resale went through. We’ve seen this one recently, haven’t we? 😉
Would be interesting to hear from anyone who lives in this building and whether they actually like living there. It seems to have so many negatives– awkward location with heavy commuter traffic all around, valet parking only, nothing to walk to, super expensive. Yes it has some good views but is there any other reason to live here?
“Am I the only potential buyer who’s turned off by the large commissions being offered to my agent?”
Jeff – if you are comfortable that you understand the price points and can negotiate for yourself, why would you ever go to a condo complex with your agent? As someone mentioned you may be able to negotiate some free HOAs for yourself if a sales office doesn’t have to pay an agent. Besides, a good real estate attorney to review your documentation shouldn’t be more that $1-2k particularly if you negotiate the price with him as well.
How do they expect to sell when they have a lousy sales team? I showed up when they first started selling and wanted to buy a 2bd/2ba unit above the 20th floor; I had to be on a waiting list because they were supposedly all in contract. So I got on this “waiting list” indicating that I was willing to pay up to $1.2 mil. I still have not got a call to date. I wouldn’t even want one for $800,000 now. And I also don’t chase after the salesman.
Pretty ambitious to call that a Living/Dining Room. It’s barely big enough for 1 purpose, let alone 2. I guess if you got some tv trays, it could do both.
huh?: I’m a skeptic too (obviously) but I can actually think of a few reasons to use an agent, even in a condo complex:
1) awareness of any dirty secrets/gossip etc. involved in a particular development (i.e., this Infinity “water damage” referred to on another thread)
2) knowledge of pros and cons of various floor plans/floors and their relative value. Do any seem to be over- or underpriced?
3) same as #2 but comparing between developments
4) experience with the closing process and potential issues to look out for, particularly in inspections etc.
So I think they can add value. I just don’t want to create a situation where their interests are so blatantly opposed to mine. I wish I could set up a compensation structure where the commission was actually lower if I paid more, but failing that, a fixed fee for a given period would be ideal, with any bonuses from the seller to be credited to me.
Rincon Hill is nice for some. It is close to downtown, but apart from it. There are for the most part no South Beach throngs or South of Market cart pushers. The height of the hill means even lower units have some good peek-o’-bay views. Some of the lower priced units are simply on lower floors. The plan jj linked to is the smallest “junior” 1 bed, but on the other side there are “deluxe” 1 bed plans with more room and a desk sized nook. The bulk of the building protects many units, including the deluxe 1 bed plans, from the bay bridge, and entrance ramp traffic doesn’t have much of an impact on the tower. The common areas are quite nice, though not super nice like Infinity.
When I looked here some months ago the agents were obviously kind of disorganized, so I wouldn’t grudge them that if you really want a unit. There was a huge initial rush to buy because of the bubble, so they did get stampeded at first. I really like this building, but it ends up being too much for me since I actually like SOMA grunge and would sooner go for a loft. The townhomes are also available soon and are kind of nice.
As far as agents go, they make sales happen. If agents bother you, then why use one? Just go to the owner or their representatives and make an offer. This is the perfect climate for that. Agents can be an advantage in terms of choosing which units to make offers for and how much to bid, but not everyone needs that kind of help.
Been in the building since June, here are my reviews:
Positives:
– Views are pretty amazing. We are already used to them, but our new guests always have a jaw-drop.
– Great staff
– Friendly neighbors
– Friends’ envy (j/k)
– Good amenities
– Very nicely appointed common areas
– Valet parking, thought this would be a pain at first but it is actually quite nice. 1st hour for guests has been free for some time now
– Walking distance to Yerba Buena, FD, South Beach, Embarcadero. For us that means really only driving on the weekends most of the time.
Negatives:
– Concern for our values (paid pre-construction prices that were then raised and now looks like returned to the same level, hope they don’t have to go even lower). Currently investigating on what our rights are if the developer guts the values further.
– In-unit build quality and design (colors, etc) is pretty much crap, we spent lot’s bringing it up to a decent level and will spend more later (electrical, paint, cabinets falling apart, better flooring, etc)
– Warranty company total joke. Unprofessional, uncooperative, ineffective. Had to threaten with legal action several times to get anything done. I may be partially or fully responsible for several people there being replaced.
– Sales staff was not helpful and had a chip on their collective shoulder until the sh*t hit the fan when they started kissing serious ass for referrals. Not a big fan of two faced used car sales people.
– Traffic at peak hours, I think we are actually used to this already. So not too bad. Part of living “DT”.
– Still living in a construction zone. Seems like the townhomes (the sidewalk in front of them) and the landscaping on the driveway is being worked on 10 minutes a day. HOA already got a settlement out of the developer to reimburse some HOA fees. But they REALLY need to get this done. VERY annoying.
– Harrison St. paving. Sidewalk repaved just this week, hopefully they will get the rest done soon. This should help the peak hour traffic be a bit smoother.
– Crosswalk situation is pretty crappy too. Have to cross Harrison before going anywhere.
Just some honest thoughts. I would imagine most other owners are “plugged-in” as well.
– Harrison St. paving. Sidewalk (meant “crosswalk”) repaved just this week, hopefully they will get the rest done soon. This should help the peak hour traffic be a bit smoother.
– Concern for our values (paid pre-construction prices that were then raised and now looks like returned to the same level, hope they don’t have to go even lower). Currently investigating on what our rights are if the developer guts the values further.
LOL. Your rights???? You have the right to pay too much for an overpriced asset, enjoy.
ryanb, you’re probably right. But there may be more to it than that. What representations did ORH make regarding values/prices? A (formal or informal) pledge not to discount units later? Such “fraudulent inducement” is actionable. E caveat emptor is the rule but not if specific representations or warranties were part of the deal. I have no knowledge of the facts, but it would not surprise me at all if the agents said something to early buyers like vitalyg along the lines of “we will never offer these units below the price being offered today.” If so, go get ’em!
Trip you have valid points, but I have issues with people holding an attitude that their used home assets are “worth XYZ”, no matter what reality is dictating.
It’s as if any negative valuation is reason for litigation against the builder…they tricked us into signing a 1+ million dollar mortgage! It never occured to us that prices might decline! Ok, maybe the builder/salespeople made promises that they’d never sell below price XYZ…but when did anyone ever TRUST A SALESPERSON?
It’s endemic of the whole bulls**t victim mentality we are seeing crop up in housing bust stories these days…”oh woe is me, I thought housing would only go up! It’s the banks/used-home-salesperson/brokers fault, they made me do it!”
Anyone with a grain of scepticism could have seen that ORH could easily decline from the initial listing prices, promises or not.
Good luck, Trip (and vitalyg), nailing down any of those representations as an evidentiary matter, I’d guess. They’re pretty slick, the new house salesmen. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the agents in fact did say things like Trip surmises. However, I also wouldn’t be surprised at all that they deny it under oath, that no documentary record exists, and that any hard evidence that can be uncovered will consist solely of canned sales scripts that specifically exhort the agents not to promise anything about future prices (wink, wink).
That’s a useful post, btw, vitalyg. Best of luck if you do go after them, because I’d think the likelihood of further significant price declines (both new and especially resales) is virtually 100%.
I completely agree with both of you. Also, assuming some such representation was made and vitalyg did not rely on it in making the purchase decision, there is no fraud. Too bad — bought in a bubble (and plenty warned you not to do so).
But if there was such reliance, vitalyg might poll his neighbor early-buyers and see what was said to them. If a dozen buyers swear they were told by the sales team “we will never drop prices,” they win (it doesn’t really matter what the sales people “swear” they never said at that point). I’m not a big fan at all of reaching for someone to blame and suing them. OTOH, sleazy sales tactics are almost never punished, so they continue, and it would be great to have a hammer to pull out to hold people accountable.
I’ve been living in ORH since August. Previously I was in another highrise condo in the neighborhood. I had gotten cold feet and originally thought about backing out of my contract, but I can honestly say that I have been pleasantly surprised with my experience since moving in.
1. Love the views. I grew up in houses with killer views pretty much my entire life and I still have not gotten tired of this view. Like a living piece of wall-sized art. It energizes me and has even helped make me more of a morning person.
2. The valet parking has been quite convenient, save occassional backups during peak in and out hours. More convenient than circling down four floors of underground parking. And the 1 hour free visitor parking is an added perk that as far as I know most other buildings in the area don’t have.
3. The staff – the security, management, valet parking – all of them have been excellent, professional, and at definitely higher level than my previous building.
4. The car traffic is bad during the late afternoon/early evening rush hour, but can mostly be bypassed if you stay off of 1st Street and/or stay out of the lanes leading onto the Bay Bridge. The rest of the time it’s fine.
5. Not tons of stuff in the immediate surroundings, but there are a couple restaurants within 1 block, more within 2-3 blocks, and it’s only 10 minutes to walk to the Embarcardero, Ferry Building, Metreon, and a tad further to Union Square. If that other development and park happens next door it will add to the neighborhood appeal.
6. I had no problems with, and actually was pleasantly surprised by the home warranty company and how quickly they dealt with the few minor problems in my unit.
Won’t deny that I would be even happier if I could have saved 20%, but overall happy with the experience of living here.
For once I agree with LMRiM. There’s virtually no chance that the sales people ever wrote anything down saying that the sales prices would never go down and conversely, there’s probably a 100% chance that they said such things. Good luck ever trying to prove it.
And bringing a lawsuit against the developer is a sure fire way to bring your prices down even further.
RInconNoMore: “I showed up when they first started selling and wanted to buy a 2bd/2ba unit above the 20th floor; I had to be on a waiting list because they were supposedly all in contract.
They were in contract. for a year and a half they had virtually no product available to sell. they were in contract (others paid depoit to hold them = they couldn;t sell them to you), as they were for other building’s pre-sold in that period, most of which had less units under contract, they, too had less product to sell that they do now. In the past year, many fell out of contract becuase their financial situation changed (couldn’t sell their other home(s), banks wouldn’t loan to them, etc.). Thus, many of these once “in contract” homes came back on the market and are now for sale.
What’s your beef again?
And those that think they can sue because their prop value may’ve dropped for the current period — you are wacked (and your sense of entitlement is alarming, no doubt indicative of this overly litigious country, and, espeically SF, where everuone is on the take with a lawsuit to get them money for not working, etc.). Sit tight, your property value will go back up in a few year and.or when the economy is on the mend. However, if you NEED to sell because you lost your job or overextended yourself, when then tough titties for you. No sympathy here.
Build the 2nd tower for frick’s sake. Complete the project and maybe you will have better luck selling.
I agree, build the 2nd tower. This will help the area and Tower 1 tremendously. If need be, rent out ORH2.
Btw, anybody heard from Recent_ORH-Buyer? I miss his insights.
It would be financial suicide to build Tower 2 right now. That is something they did get right!
Building T2 would only be beneficial to sideline buyers waiting to see even lower prices. LOL
In the past year, many fell out of contract becuase their financial situation changed (couldn’t sell their other home(s), banks wouldn’t loan to them, etc.). Thus, many of these once “in contract” homes came back on the market and are now for sale.
And maybe people simply giving up their deposits in view of instant negative equity? Any idea of how many took off without their down payment back?
Sit tight, your property value will go back up in a few year and.or when the economy is on the mend
That one was pretty much a written promise of guaranteed price increase. Watch out for litigation if this prediction doesn’t realize;) Of course you say “few year(sic)” which can be interpreted as 2 to 20 years depending on the lawyer…
Remember that people in Tokyo are still waiting to see 1990 prices again (actually, they’d be happy with 60% of 1990 prices at this point).
So does anyone know if they have many 2 brms for sale? I’ve seen a few resales on mls but dont know if there are any new ones. Any updates on the percentage of units that have closed?
I don’t think you can even sue the banks that gave you a loan and told you that they would refinance you later to keep your payments affordable, and told you (by appraisal) that your house was worth x, much less anyone else that would have said the units would never drop in price.
I just cant get my arms around $693 HOA fees. Every month. I am well qualified to afford at ORH, but would rather put HOA fees into a larger mortgage/ house and reap tax benefits of such.
Like you’ll get anything in the photograph for 500k. Unbelievable marketing.
By the way, I actually prefer city views myself. Ocean views are nice, but get a little dull for me.
900 psf? They haven’t budged mutch.
Love the Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
In our case, we are fortunate to not have to/want to sell anytime soon. However, the whole point I brought up about rights of the early buyers comes back to claims made during the sales process. The question I am currently investigating with a real estate attorney is if these sales claims are actionable. If there is one here, chime in. Otherwise you can keep your judgements and snide comments to yourself.
I’ll point you to Millennium and Blue who have applied discounts retroactively. My assumption they didn’t do this because they “wanted” to.
I’ll post an update when I get some professional advice on the matter.
As far HOA… take a look around. Most buildings even below this level in amenities (to maintain) and staff (to employ, which ORH has I believe ~19 full-time) are in this range. Vs. SFH you would be paying for exterior maintenance, pool etc if you have it and much more insurance. Now when you start talking about St.Regis $2,500 HOA is when it gets questionable. I paid almost the same HOA at The Brannan for a large 1bd as I do at ORH for a large 2bd. Blue is in the $500-$600s and has 0 amenities and just a security guard at the door. The reality is that it does take money to properly maintain these large buildings and employ staff. HOAs are a non-profit entity owned by the residents and caries a relatively low surplus to cover incidentals.
“rights of the early buyers comes back to claims made during the sales process”
I think it’s a fairly well established point of law that verbal promises are worth the signed and notarized paper they’re printed on.
I honestly hope the developer will kick back up some $$$ for the owners who closed already. I wouldn’t hold my breath but you never know what loopholes people find when they are desperate.
LOL, I hope you kicked back up some $$$ for the developers when the price went up. Heads you win, tails you cry, bitch and moan about how unfair it is…
“- Concern for our values (paid pre-construction prices that were then raised and now looks like returned to the same level, hope they don’t have to go even lower). Currently investigating on what our rights are if the developer guts the values further.”
ah, and now the plaintive cry goes up,
“but you said you would still respect me in the morning!”
I think it’s a fairly well established point of law that verbal promises are worth the signed and notarized paper they’re printed on.
California law in this area is surprisingly complex and not clear-cut at all. I’m litigating a $100M-plus lawsuit on this theory as we speak. Even if a signed, notarized, written agreement says “the parties neither make nor rely on any representations or warranties whatsoever other than those expressed in this written agreement,” if one party did, in fact, make fraudulent representations (such as “we will never discount these units”) that enticed the other to sign in the first place, there can be liability for fraudulent inducement. As I noted above, the buyer actually has to have relied on such a representation to make the claim (unlikely in this case — but I don’t know the facts). Also, the general remedy is rescission — you typically can’t keep the place and just get some money back.
Worth exploring here if the sales office really did make absolute B.S. promises — getting past the pleadings and into litigation will likely result in a quiet, sizable settlement. Also, this claim — fraud — won’t be covered by the builder’s liability insurer, so the lawsuit socts will be on its own dime and thus it will be more likely to settle.
As I noted above, I’m not a fan at all of suing just because you got caught up in the bubble and made a stupid purchasing decision. We litigated a lot of claims like that following the dot-com bubble burst. But if they lied to you and that lie induced you to buy, a decent lawyer should be able to hold the bad guys accountable.
Ok trip, you’re the expert. But do these type of trials reduce to a “he said, she said” dilemma?
do these type of trials reduce to a “he said, she said” dilemma?
Yes (unless the witnesses tell the truth in deposition — and they may), but it is a dilemma for both sides! Also, fraud can bring punitive damages, and the buyer really has nothing to lose (except legal fees;)), so if you get to trial, the seller would cave and settle (confidentially, of course) IMHO.
I say Trip you sound like you are trying to drum up some legal business for yourself on this website. Really, you are as bad as some of those dastardly realtors. Tsk, Tsk. My lawyer fried Contessa says that the reliance on the “no discounts” representation would have to be a significant portion of the decision to purchase to be actionable. Given that most pre-construction buyers bought with the expection of prices rising, any thought or discussion of “no discounts” was probably the furthest thing from their collective minds.
My friend Humphrey, who is married to the dainty Contessa, lives somewhere in the clouds at One Rincon Hill. The first time I saw his dazzling views a almost urinated in my silk boxers from Saville Row. Smashing scenery. He agrees with vitalyg about the positives of the building although he does find some of the front desk people a tad surly. He thinks Henry is a particularly good chap. Personally I adore the outdoor area by the fireplace as it is perfect for a sherry at sunset or after dinner. The traffic noise is not too bad, except for the occasional wanker racing the bridge on a Harley motorcycle.
On the negative side he is considerably peeved with the never ending construction work on the sidewalk and driveway. It is a real bother when he wants to take his MGBGT for a whirl around the neighborhood. He ultimately blames the developer and has fantastized about publicly castrating him at the next homeowner’s meeting. Well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, especially since Humphrey really doesn’t have the balls to pull something like that off. Quite literally.
Jeeves I must ask, are you really British or is this a good show lad? You have brought a quaint light to the blog. cheerio.
I’ve been living at ORH for almost a year. I’ve been reading these messages boards periodically but have never posted anything. I honestly can’t understand the negative comments that various people post. I have enjoyed every minute living at ORH especially the views, the staff, and the amenities. I thought the sales staff was very friendly and professional. The traffic on Harrison and 1st Street is truly not a bother. If you live in the building then you should know the shortcuts to maneuver around the traffic. I must admit I was skeptical of the valet parking originally but now I love it. My car is waiting for me every morning and the valet guys are extremely nice.
Before I posted anything I wanted to do my due diligence and actually visit the other properties that are often mentioned on socketsite. Within the past 3 weeks I took a tour of the Infinity and Blu. Although the prices for 2 bedrooms at Blu are good it just simply can not compare to either One Rincon Hill or Infinity. My thoughts on Infinity is that I absolutely would not want a unit that faces the other building. You can see into everyone’s unit and there is no privacy. The balcony was not only small but scary. I did not feel safe and felt like I was on a ledge that could easily drop. The indoor gym and pool were nice but the building does not offer any private outdoor amenities like One Rincon Hill. In my opinion One Rincon Hill represents a more luxurious and upscale feel compared to Infinity. There are different types of properties out there that attract different types of people but in my opinion if you are looking for a condo that is upscale, secure and safe, and has friendly residence then I would honestly recommend ORH.
We need cool looking embroidered towels stocked in the gym like Infinity. I’m bringing this up in the next HOA meeting.
I say Humphrey, thanks for chiming in. Give my regards to Contessa. While you are at it, better ask for those lovely hand embroidered silk towels from Harrods. I demand nothing less when wiping sweat off my body.
Greetings goldsunrising. I prefer a little mystery as to whether I’m actually British landed gentry or a fellow that simply enjoys pulling everyone’s collective leg. Either way, it is jolly entertaining.
Good Day Aurora. Give my best to Borealis. Humphrey has mentioned that it is rather civilized having his automobile waiting in the garage instead of having to get it himself. He didn’t originally not originally think it was a good idea either. Upon returning it has been rather helpful to have shopping carts nearby to help with the groceries. It is certainly far superior to descending into the bowels of the basement and trugging to the elevators unassisted. Plus the valet have proven to be a bunch of decent blokes. Carry on.
Jeeves, your persona is adding some welcome levity! I assure you I have zero interest in taking on some lawsuit like this. Your lawyer friend Contessa does not have it quite right, although she is close. Vitalyg’s reliance on the “no discounts” representation need only be a “substantial factor” in the decision and resulting harm — very easy to meet. Nevertheless, as we’ve discussed above, I think this lawsuit would ultimately be a loser because I suspect such a representation had no affect at all as bubble-buyers simply wanted a piece of the mythical infinite appreciation. But it would still be fun to make the seller squirm with such a lawsuit (“the buyer knew we were lying through our teeth” would not be a fun defense to assert).
So, Trip, it doesn’t have to be significant, just substantial? The developer’s lawyers claim it’s not their fault because the misrepresentation was not intentional even though it was deliberate.
Now Contessa, you and I both know that cases turn on quibbles like this and it’s what lawyers (and barristers) are paid a lot of money to fight over. And you also know that a misrepresentation can be merely negligent and be actionable. This has been beaten dead, but if anyone still cares, here are the jury instructions on a claim like vitalyg appears to have in mind (I suspect vitalyg would fail as to element #5):
[Name of plaintiff] claims that [name of defendant] made a false representation that harmed [him/her/it]. To establish this claim,
[name of plaintiff] must prove all of the following:
1. That [name of defendant] represented to [name of plaintiff] that an important fact was true;
2. That [name of defendant]’s representation was false;
3. That [name of defendant] knew that the representation was false when [he/she] made it, or that [he/she] made the representation recklessly and without regard for its truth;
4. That [name of defendant] intended that [name of plaintiff] rely on the representation;
5. That [name of plaintiff] reasonably relied on [name of defendant]’s representation;
6. That [name of plaintiff] was harmed; and
7. That [name of plaintiff]’s reliance on [name of defendant]’s representation was a substantial factor in causing [his/her/its] harm.
Or
[Name of plaintiff] claims [he/she/it] was harmed because [name of defendant] negligently misrepresented an important fact. To establish this claim, [name of plaintiff] must prove all of the following:
1. That [name of defendant] represented to [name of plaintiff] that an important fact was true;
2. That [name of defendant]’s representation was not true;
3. That [name of defendant] had no reasonable grounds for believing the representation was true when [he/she] made it;
4. That [name of defendant] intended that [name of plaintiff] rely on this representation;
5. That [name of plaintiff] reasonably relied on [name of defendant]’s representation;
6. That [name of plaintiff] was harmed; and
7. That [name of plaintiff]’s reliance on [name of defendant]’s representation was a substantial factor in causing [his/her/its] harm.
Finally! Why does ORH sales staff always lag behind the competition when it comes to lowering prices and offering concessions? Millennium and Infinity did this months ago. Strange…
First, please note 2 things:
1) I have lived in ORH for over a year
2) I have NO plans on selling or buying in the building for at least a few years, so no motivation to make positive or negative comments.
I COMPLETELY echo goldsunrising’s comment. I can’t understand all the negativity here. I LOVE living in this building. The staff is very professional and friendly!! Everyone I’ve met who lives in the building is very friendly. I’m always greeted with smiles, hellos, and can-I-help-you-carry-that in the hallways, which is much more than I can say for other places I’ve lived in this city. I’ve borrowed sugar, had beers, and hung out in the hot tub with several other ORH residents and the overwhelming majority are happy with their choice.
My unit, while small, is gorgeous and receives rave reviews from friends and visitors. I love the western-facing light through the huge windows, the layout, the appliances… even the bamboo flooring, which I was nervous about given my propensity for high heels, has held up well. My home has a relaxing modern feel to it that immediately puts guests at ease.
For what it’s worth, the people who live in the building are happy.
” I’ve borrowed sugar, had beers, and hung out in the hot tub with several other ORH residents”
Sure sounds like fun! The new swingers club for the wealthy 🙂
“Finally! Why does ORH sales staff always lag behind the competition when it comes to lowering prices and offering concessions? Millennium and Infinity did this months ago. Strange…”
Simple, the other projects have a hell of a lot more units to sell…..Infinity has an entire building!