No real story, it’s simply for our love of 650 Delancey #213’s staircase.
Okay, and so it’s also the fifth time since September 2008 the Oriental Warehouse loft has been listed (asking $1,498,000 at one point but now with an official “one day on the market” and “original list price” of $1,298,000 according to those industry stats).
Oh, and then there’s that bit about a flood.
∙ Listing: 650 Delancey #213 (2/2) 1,400 sqft – $1,298,000 [MLS]
∙ The Oriental Warehouse (650 Delancey) [SocketSite]
∙ The Wonderful World Of Warehouse Twos (650 Delancey #112) [SocketSite]
wow, they should have listened to steve. would have saved everyone a lot of time.
After a 200K price cut, this will be 800/sq ft. Perhaps it will be featured on SS again when the extreme wishing price is replaced by something a little less fantastic.
Posted by: steve at March 6, 2009 4:57 PM
or not. I’m lame; I was talking about #112. the flood link confused me. cary on…
btw, there have been some awesome staircases on SS the past few days.
there is no inner railing.that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Nice unit. But the price?
Propertyshark shows a sale in 2/2005 for $900k (also sold in 2000 for 925k). No indication of any renovations or other changes that would justify the huge jump in price since then that I can see. Sfgov reveals only a 2005 permit to retile bathrooms and replace appliances.
Someone pulled a permit to re-tile their bathroom and replace appliances? WTF?
None of the guarrails meet code. Be sure you don’t have any friends with infants visiting.
Kind of dark isn’t it? You’d think with that big windows it would get more light; is there a large building next door?
“there is no inner railing.that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.”
Do helical staircases ever have inner railings ? I don’t recall ever seeing one.
I cannot imagine what it took to bend those two helical wooden stringers. A master craftsperson must have made these.
Here’s a higher floor one (but not at the end of the building) that was withdrawn after it failed to sell at a price of $770psft. I guess you just can’t get $700+ psft for a converted industrial space any longer.
http://www.ubayp.com/buy/PropertyDetail.aspx?ID=a650409e
With this one listed at $927 psft, it seems like kind of a long shot, though people *do* like this building.
that stairway is gorgeous.
typically spirals don’t have a central railing but they also aren’t typically this loose of a spiral. in this case it would be safer (but less aesthetically pleasing) with another handrail.
I would gladly have every visitor sign a waiver to come near my “dangerous” stairway if I could only have such a stairway. Americans are ridiculous with their lawsuits.
If lawyers had their way we’d have railings along the entire California coastline, along the Grand Canyon, and probably in our beds too!
Even though I’d never live in a loft, I find this loft to be stunning.
I absolutely agree with ex SF-er. Lawyers run the country – damn the lawyers…
I was just thinking – would I trade my lovely suburban house for this loft………..No.
Could I allow myself to dream about living in this loft……………….yes… yes.
Simply lovely.
that is beautiful! i remember looking at these places in 1994 when they were around 300k. doh!
is this the youtube co-founders place?
Here’s some gratuitous spiral staircase photos. Evidently, this company appears to be able to build code compliant helix staircases. Check out the slide in pics 26-29 (okay, that one might not be code compliant).
Lofts do not have to withstand many residential code requirements.
@kathleen: I have to disagree with you. That is a very dangerous statement to make. Lofts must meet the minimum building code requirements for safety, exiting, fire resistance, occupancy loads, etc. as ANY single family residence.
That spiral stair, while artsy and unique in design, is not a very safe stairway, for the occupants or visitors. It’s a mistake to just think that code compliant handrails and guardrails would ruin the design. They would not.
The infamous ATC tower house includes a helical staircase without an inner handrail : https://socketsite.com/archives/2009/06/14541456_kearny_hinting_at_some_rather_spectacular_view.html
… but at least there’s a central post to serve as a handrail proxy
here’s the deal: normally, stairways require handrails on both sides, but stairways serving a private residence are allowed to have handrails on one side only as one of the few exceptions, per CA building code. the guardrails, on the other hand, seem spaced too sparsely, as the maximum gap between the railings should be four inches.
more relevantly, spiral stairs are also part of the exceptions allowing handrails on only one side.
well…almost right…handrails are only required on ONE side of residential stairs. As for guardrails, they are required on both sides of an open stair, such as this..or even a straight run stair. Openings in guardrails can be no larger than 4″ clear..on both sides. This spiral stair appears to have no real guardrail on the outside edge, but only vertical supports for the handrail…and it has no guardrail at all on the inside edge.
Bottom line is this: safety is part of the building codes, whether you like the design or not.
Sometimes they go light on non-conforming stairs when there is a second means of egress from the upper level, in the form of a door to an exit cooridor on the mezzanine level.
I do not know about this unit in this building, but that is often the case in SOMA buildings with a loft mexxanine accessed by a minimal spiral stair – at least it allows you to get that king size bed up there.
great pics EBguy, thanks!
dch,
this unit was remodeled after the 2005 sale, including the new staircase, handrails, kitchen, baths and fire/flood damage.
A few others have been on the market but not sold in the last year with the exception of #414 which sold for over $900sqft and if i remember correctly had original finishes.
interesting, rumble. you wouldn’t know it from the permitting, although that would explain the jump in price, which I still think is high.
From sfgov:
Application Number: 200510216263
Description: REDUE TILE IN BOTH BATHROOMS AND CABINETS – CHANGING APPLIANCE TO STAINLESS
Cost: $5,800.00
All I can say is sound transfer.
I’ve looked at most of the units for sale here in the past 1.5 years, including this one. It’s a nice building, tho’ units with the original finishes are looking pretty tired by now. This unit has been updated, but has no views to speak of, with a building very close to the arched window and the brick perimeter wall close to the other window. Considering how many units here were on the market, the only recent sale I can find is #414, on the opposite corner of the building from this one, but at least it has some views. Also a 2/2, 1769 sq. ft., not as updated, went for $1,150,000 last November. I don’t see this one going for much more than $1M, if that, even with that staircase.
#414 sold in November for $1,150,000 which is $650 per square foot…..way below what they are asking for this place and much bigger. It had original finishes but can easily be remodeled.
#414 had no patio and all original 1996 finishes which were pretty low-end because the area/prices were not like they are today. 414 also had a low overhead roof in its 2nd bedroom, so its effective square footage was less than listed and probably around 1700. #414 was also an all-cash offer which probably resulted in a somewhat lower sales price. #213 has been completely remodeled- floors, both bathrooms, and kitchen at a significant cost (+$100,000)and has outdoor space (which has typically adds about $75,000-100,000 to the price of such units in the building).
That’s a beautiful staircase. If people are not capable of walking that staircase without falling, then they deserve to fall. Why do law treat everyone like an idiot? That’s not a hard staircase to navigate.
now that’s a nice thought: they “deserve to fall”??
What riverside12 says is may be all true, tho’ I’d like to see some statistics on outdoor space being worth an additional $75-100K, especially the non-view space at #213. How big is that patio? How much does outdoor space fetch, on a sq. ft. basis? The fact remains that #414 sold (I forget how long it was on the market), but #213 is still unsold after a very long time on the market. To me, that means it’s overpriced. Time will tell …
Make that the sixth time since September 2008 650 Delancey #213 has been listed. Back on the MLS again today at $1,298,000 and an official “1” day on the market.