345 6th Street: Design Proposal

While plugged-in readers answered another’s question with regard to a proposed hotel in the vicinty of Sixth and Jessie (yes, at 942 Mission), a plugged-in tipster passes along the notice for a pre-planning commission community meeting for 345 Sixth Street, a proposed 36 unit residential project four blocks to the south on the corner of Shipley.

The architect and development team are making themselves available at 348 6th Street next Thursday (3/5/09) from 6-7pm for Q&A. Don’t forget those tips if you attend.

UPDATE: A plugged-in reader adds a few details and a link to the Planning Department’s Preliminary Mitigated Negative Declaration for 345 6th Street which includes floor plans and few elevations.

Comments from Plugged-In Readers

  1. Posted by Jeffrey W. Baker

    Since you didn’t include any project details …
    Project Description: The proposed project includes demolition of a one‐story, 16‐foot‐tall, approximately 3,000 gross‐ square‐foot (gsf), vacant building constructed in 1973 and a 16‐space surface parking lot and the construction of a new five‐story, 50‐foot‐tall residential over production, distribution and repair (PDR) development. The proposed development would total approximately 35,200 gsf and consist of pproximately 27,400 square feet (sf) of residential use (36 dwelling units), over approximately 2,900 sf of ground floor PDR space, and a 9‐space parking garage. Access to the parking garage would be from Shipley Street.
    The 9,375 square foot project site is located on the southeast corner of 6th and Shipley Streets within the block bounded by 6th Street to the west, 5th Street to the east, between Folsom Street to the north and Clara and Harrison Streets to the south in the South of Market Neighborhood.
    Floor plan and elevations:
    http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/planning/2005.0876E.pdf

  2. Posted by Jeffrey W. Baker

    Ugh, cut-n-paste failure. Read it for yourself in the PDF, which also includes the floor plan and elevations.
    http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/planning/2005.0876E.pdf

  3. Posted by natomahead

    I’d like to see more multi-bedroom units than what is being proposed. SoMa has added to most new housing units in SF over the past 15 yrs, yet it’s overall density declined during that time. Too many studios & 1BR, SoMa needs more 2-3 BRs

  4. Posted by Dave

    I’d call that three blocks south of 6th and Jessie… do the little mid-block alleys demarcate “blocks?” I always considered the blocks in SOMA to be demarcated by the major streets (Mission, Howard, Folsom, Harrison, etc.)
    But my real comment: 36 units and 9 parking spaces… seems gutsy to me. That’s a long walk to any reasonable public transit. Assuming that these are condos (because we SO need more condos on the market in SOMA right now *cough cough*) I remain skeptical of the market for new condos without parking. But they are obviously small units (averaging 760 sq ft each) so maybe they are going to be rentals or low-end condos.
    [Editor’s Note: We’ll compromise and call it four.]

  5. Posted by theo

    That’s a long walk to any reasonable public transit
    It’s two blocks from the Central Subway’s future mid-SOMA station.
    Oh, you said “reasonable” public transit. Never mind.

  6. Posted by Mole Man

    The units are small because family sizes are going down quickly and consistently over time. Arguably also singles and very small families are most likely to choose to live in such a location.
    The ratio of jobs to housing units in the City is way, way off, so anywhere any new kind of unit can be allowed is going to be a good thing in terms of bringing workers and their family lives together and reducing dependence on limited transportation capacity.
    It is good that the lower level is being left for economically beneficial activities, but it will be interesting to see if this kind of service use continues to work out in the South of Market area. Ground floor retail got a bit ahead of itself, that seems certain.

  7. Posted by sparky-c

    I guess someone forget to tell octomom that family size is going down.

  8. Posted by natomahead

    families are not the only people that can live multi-BR homes. 2 or 3 adults can share a 2-3 BR, they are called Roommates. Yes, people still do that.
    I don’t know about family sizes down ‘quickly’, but I know they are leaving SF and particularly SoMa in droves. Yes, affordability is one reason, but the other, especially in SoMa, is that single family homes are being replaced by studio/1BR condos. There’s a serious lack of homes that can ‘[bring] workers and their family lives together’.

  9. Posted by BernalDweller

    “That’s a long walk to any reasonable public transit.” LOL
    5th and Market is a four block walk. That is the center of public transportaion in the city. I lived across the street from here for 4 years, and purchased there specifically because I wouldn’t need a car. It saved me thousands of dollars which helped me to afford the unit I bought.
    I just don’t understand people’s addictions to automobiles in central city locations.

  10. Posted by lolcat_94123

    Hello, and welcome to Budapest.

  11. Posted by gc

    Hey Jeffrey –
    Where can you find a master list of the planning docs (like MNDs) that the City publishes online? I keep trying to find an index or searchable base for these links, but am unable to…
    Thanks!

  12. Posted by SoMaTiDo

    Natomanuts,
    You are so misinformed (or are just making up “facts” to make your point?). Single family dwellings (or any other kind of dwelling unit) are almost impossible to demolish in SF. They are almost *never* replaced by a new development as the City makes it nigh on impossible (*) to afford to relocate existing residents or “remove units from the housing stock”. Now maybe there were little or no single-family homes to begin with, but to blame new Studio- and 1BR-units for driving out families is absurd.
    * One notable exception is Sangiacomo Square up on Market and you should see the ridiculous hoops that Daly, McGoldrick and Maxwell made him jump through to get permission to add those units.

  13. Posted by Dave

    “5th and Market is a four block walk.” That’s true – although it’s 10 blocks by SocketSite’s measuring – and for me, that wouldn’t be toooo far, although they are long blocks. But if you had to walk that multiple times per day, it would get pretty old.
    I live about two long blocks from a Muni metro station, and that works for me. But if it were twice as far away, I am sure I would hop in the car a lot more often than I do. Just thinking of the demographics of folks who buy and live in SOMA these days, I am still skeptical about the lack of parking. I hope I’m wrong.
    It’s also true that it’s only two (long) blocks to the future mid-SOMA MUNI station. But, as I understand it, that line won’t really connect with the Market St. lines, you’ll have to get off, come back up to the street, and walk a couple blocks back to get to BART or the other MUNI lines. So it will not be a world of convenience, I fear.

  14. Posted by ingridmarie

    im attending the mtg. and then i will be able to comment intelligently(i hope) however, my comment for now is low-income,moderate,affordable housing???in the picture or ??? which or what is really going on.. ??

  15. Posted by ingridmarie

    im attending the mtg. and then i will be able to comment intelligently(i hope) however, my comment for now is low-income,moderate,affordable housing???in the picture or ??? which or what is really going on.. ??

  16. Posted by ingridmarie

    im attending the mtg. and then i will be able to comment intelligently(i hope) however, my comment for now is low-income,moderate,affordable housing???in the picture or ??? which or what is really going on.. ??

  17. Posted by ingridmarie

    im attending the mtg. and then i will be able to comment intelligently(i hope) however, my comment for now is low-income,moderate,affordable housing???in the picture or ??? which or what is really going on.. ??

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